Talk:capellus filtreus

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capellus filtreus

“hat” + “felt” for “felt hat”: SOP. J3133 (talk) 06:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@J3133: I don't understand your language "SOP." Aearthrise (talk) 06:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@J3133: filtreus by itself doesn't mean Felt Hat, it means felt. Aearthrise (talk) 07:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Aearthrise: "SOP" = "sum of parts". We don't include multiword entries whose meanings can be deduced from the individual words. So if capellus means "hat" and filtreus means "made of felt", and if capellus filtreus means nothing more than "hat made of felt", then the entry is sum-of-parts (SOP) and ought to be deleted. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mahagaja: The quote given on the definition is "Capellus, m., lat., 1. der Hut; c. forratus, filtreus, c. de feltro, Filzhut", translated from German: "Capellus, m., lat., 1. The hat; c. forratus, filtreus, c. de feltro, felt hat". In Du Cange's Latin glossary the filtreus is mentioned as an alternative to forratus under Capellus forratus: "Capellus Forratus, idem, ut puto, qui filtreus, de quo in feltrum, Gall. Chapeau de feutre", translated from Latin "Capellus Forratus, the same, as I believe, as the one (i.e. hat) that is felt, of which is made of felt, French Chapeau de feutre". In Du Cange's Latin glossary the page containing Feltrum has "Fitreus Capellus"; fitreus is an alternate spelling of filtreus. Fitreus is mentioned in "Mémoires sur la langue Celtique..par Jean Baptiste Bullet, Volume 2, by Jean-Baptiste Bullet, 1759 page 581: "Fitreus, A.M. de feutre. Voyez filtrum", translated from French as "Fitreus, A.M. of felt. See filtrum". In Du Cange's Latin Glossary Fitreus is mentioned only as "Fitreus. vide in feltrum.", translated from Latin "Fitreus. look in Feltrum." Capellus Filtreus is not a sum of parts definition. Aearthrise (talk) 17:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Your quotes prove that it is: capellus means 'hat', filtreus means 'made of felt', and capellus filtreus means 'hat made of felt'. So delete. —Mahāgaja · talk 18:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Certain hats or helmets had certain colors or were made out of certain materials, but it's encyclopaedic and not lexical. brown coat or brown coat is just a coat that is brown - it became more in the sense person wearing a brown coat and fan of Firefly (Browncoat). Is there something similar in Latin, like capellus ferreus (“soldier with iron helmet”)? --幽霊四 (talk) 11:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

capellus argenti

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus auri

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus beverinus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus chori

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus de feltro

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus de filtro

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus de pellibus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus ferratus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus ferreus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus forratus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus lanae

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus lineus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus magnus niger

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus niger

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus pavonius

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus perlarum

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus rosarum

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus rubeus

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus solis

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

capellus viridis

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

galerum nigrum

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

galerum rubrum

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

tunica ad armare

J3133 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@J3133: These definitions are Medieval Latin, and must not be deleted; these are how the words are attested for certain items: Galerum rubrum for example, is the a red hat used by Cardinals. Tunica ad armare is not a sum of parts, tunica ad armare is specifically a military cloak. You aren't following the glossary definition attestations you're, just delete tagging without viewing the references; all of these are in Du Cange reference. These are all Medieval Latin definitions, and must be preserved. Aearthrise (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Aearthrise: It seems you do not understand what Mahagaja said. Your quotes prove that they are SOP. J3133 (talk) 06:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To illustrate this point, a red zucchetto is a red cap as worn by cardinals also today. Why is this link red? Because a red zucchetto is a zucchetto that happens to be red, whether on the head of a cardinal or not. If you know the meanings of red and of zucchetto, you know the meaning of red zucchetto. You may not know its significance in ecclesiastical fashion, but that is not a lexical issue such as what dictionaries are about; it is stuff for an encyclopedia.  --Lambiam 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Delete all. Fay Freak (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Delete all. Ultimateria (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Delete. HeliosX (talk) 17:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Delete all. Imetsia (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

RFC discussion: September 2020

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capellus filtreus

I added the Latin definition "capellus feltreus." Anonymous "93.221.41.43" added request for cleanup rfc tag. Anonymous failed to create a request for cleanup post here. Aearthrise (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The link is broken, also in capellus ferratus, capellus ferreus, capellus lineus, capellus de pellibus, capellus de feltro, capellus feltreus, tunica ad armare... --93.221.41.43 06:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you click the "+"? Chuck Entz (talk) 06:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I find it interesting that you provided a link to a source that doesn't have the term in question, nor does it have feltreus. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: I put {R:du Cange} as a reference, on the page it's under capellus forratus; the attestation is "forratus, filtreus, and de feltro," for "felt hat." I put a delete tag on the previous name capellus feltreus & moved the definition to capellus filtreus. Aearthrise (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: Thank you for the help, Chuck. Aearthrise (talk) 07:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Aearthrise: How is “hat” + “felt” for “felt hat” not SOP? J3133 (talk) 06:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@J3133: I don't understand your language "SOP." Aearthrise (talk) 06:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Aearthrise: "SOP" = "sum of parts". We don't include multiword entries whose meanings can be deduced from the individual words. So if capellus means "hat" and filtreus means "made of felt", and if capellus filtreus means nothing more than "hat made of felt", then the entry is sum-of-parts (SOP) and ought to be deleted. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)