Talk:gornitsa

From Russian горница?

Is it derived from the old Russian word го́рница (górnica) (see ru:горница in the Russian Wiktionary) - 1. "a room upstairs" 2. "a clean part of a peasant's house(?)"? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Phonetically, it would make sense, however in meaning, I don't understand how the meaning would change so drastically. It could derive from a Germanic language. Compare English corn in the sense of grain. Porokello (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The common meaning is "room". The Russian word "горница" is not used these days and has several meanings. I've heard it many times but I have to look up myself its usage, etymology and additional meanings. Just found an additional meaning: [1]: "...was used as the main premises, and sometimes - as a store room".

Are you the same person: Special:Contributions/2602:306:CE03:2830:304B:80CF:D13C:1838. Please tabulate your answers with ":". --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I am. I just recently made this account. Porokello (talk) 03:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I would double-check the Karelian meaning. The word "gornitsa" is popular in Petrozavodsk as a name of restaurants, hotels, e.g. "Karelskaya Gornitsa" serves traditional Karelian food but this could be influenced by Russian, not Karelian. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

It definitely means "granary". Porokello (talk) 03:15, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I meant, double-check if there are other or older meanings. I'm now pretty certain it's from Russian, would put "possibly". I doubt it has anything to do with German "Korn". --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm just putting down simple ideas here from what I can scramble together: ни̏цати means "to sprout up" in Serbo-Croatian, is there a similar word in Russian like that? If so, it would be a good start. Russian is agglutinative, right? If there isn't a similar word in Russian like the one I mentioned in Serbo-Croatian, I believe your idea would suit better. Porokello (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

(after a wikimedia failure recovery) Russian cognates of ницати and никнути must be "никнуть", "возникать", "возникнуть". Russian (and other Slavic langauges) is generally considered a synthetic language. As per gornitsa, I've sent a query to owners of a Karelian dictionary. Let's see what they say. Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The Karelian dialect dictionary clearly gives 'room, guestroom' as the meaning of this word. I am curious where Porokello gets the sense 'granary' from. --Tropylium (talk) 20:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tropylium: Thanks. I have now (after so many years) fixed the etymology and the definition. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)