Talk:proverse

RFV discussion: December 2021–February 2022

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proverse

Rfv-sense: Suggesting the tendency to preempt by foreseeing first-order and second-order consequences. Not really sure what this means, but I'm not seeing uses that resemble anything like it. A sense "opposite of retroverse; (?) antroverted, antrorse" may be citeable. This, that and the other (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

cited. I also added the missing senses. On the citations page, I added some quotes for nouns that correspond to some of the adjective senses. Kiwima (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Impressive work as ever. I have a couple of comments:

• One of the sources explains that the insurance uses ("proverse selection") are using the word specifically as an antonym to adverse, and some of the other cites outright contrast the two words, as "adverse and proverse". Therefore, the definition about "preempting consequences" seems to be a weak fit. I added a new sense that aims to capture the concept of "not adverse" seen in a few of the cites. Unfortunately I nabbed all the cites you added to the RFV'd sense and brought them to the new sense, so I have brought us back to square one.
• Thank you for finding the biological/anatomical senses 5 and 6. I'd be curious to know how you arrived at the definition of sense 5 - mainly for my own future reference in cases like this. As for sense 6, I must confess I am a little skeptical. The 1970 cite explicitly contrasts "proverse" with "obverse" when talking about fossilised animal scratch marks (?), but obverse sense 3 is restricted to botany according to our entry. The 2008 cite is talking about "the proverse direction", which sounds like it could fit better under sense 4.

This is by no means intended as a criticism of the painstaking work you've done as a consequence of my making this request! This, that and the other (talk) 01:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

You may be right about the insurance use - frankly, the definition is pretty incomprehensible as it initially stood. As for sense 6, I took the opposite of the botany meaning of obverse because if you read more context, you will find reference to the markings being shaped like an upside-down "V" . Kiwima (talk) 05:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

RFV-resolved Kiwima (talk) 21:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)