Talk:sách giáo khoa

Derivation

Does this term derive from 冊教科, or is there even such a term in Chinese? 71.66.97.228 02:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

This can't be a Chinese derivation, not the complete term, anyway but the parts. The word order in Chinese is different from Vietnamese - nouns always follow adjectives, like in many true Sino-Vietnamese words - Hán + tự. The Chinese term - modern and old is 教科書: 教科 + 書. The more modern term is 課本. 教科冊 is used occasionally - with the Chinese word order. --Anatoli 02:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, this actually brings up an important point. When a multi-word Vietnamese term has all the parts of Chinese origin but the word order is noun-adjective (i.e., the opposite of most Chinese terms), and the equivalent noun-adjective form does not exist in Chinese (though its opposite might), do we call it "Sino-Vietnamese" and put it in the "Sino-Vietnamese" category? I would tend towards saying no, although the Chinese origin can be found in the etymology section, which can be as detailed as we want to make it, and the internal links from the individual Vietnamese component words will of course link to entries that show Sino-Vietnamese etymologies. Thanks in advance for your input on this. 71.66.97.228 02:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I would add Chinese derivations only to individual parts, if they exist, if not, you may write a more detailed description so as not to mislead readers, even something like "From Chinese 冊 + 教科, Vietnamese word order" would be OK, IMHO, not together. --Anatoli 02:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, the question was, though, whether to put such a word or term in the "vi:Chinese derivations" category. I think from what you say that you would agree with me that such terms not be placed in this category. 71.66.97.228 03:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)