Talk:shíyóu

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I restored this on the grounds it has 57 Google Book hits. Since I can't read Mandarin, I can't say if they are all mentions or not. But I think speedy deletion is for entries that have no hits of any kind, and there are potentially valid non-Google Book sources, such as usenet discussions. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps we could use the wording Tooironic used - we need to include Mandarin words used in a running Mandarin text. A running Mandarin text in pinyin (toned or toneless) is not standard, used when proper input is not available. Would we create chat Arabic or Hebrew entries? Roman letters alone in standard Mandarin, often combined with hanzi are extremely scarce. We should not support abc123's agenda. --Anatoli 12:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

We should follow rules.

'“Attested” means verified through

1. Clearly widespread use,
2. Usage in a well-known work, or
3. Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year.'

Such as shíyóu. Engirst 14:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Engirst, you are as usual, talking rubbish (sorry to be personal, but it's also accurate), how can this be in clear widespread use with only 57 citations? What is the well-known work? Where are the three citations? Mglovesfun (talk) 19:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

It refers to #3 (Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year.) Engirst

Like I said, where are they? --Mglovesfun (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Please see here. Engirst 20:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, some of these seem to be in running Mandarin text. I can't read the language so I can't tell if they are mentions or not, but they don't 'look like' mentions. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of those hits only one of them is in running text in Mandarin [1]. Delete. ---> Tooironic 22:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm closing this debate immediately as it's superseded by Wiktionary:Votes/2011-07/Pinyin entries which states "That a pinyin entry, using the tone-marking diacritics, be allowed whenever we have an entry for a traditional-characters or simplified-characters spelling." So the fate of this entry lies with 石油 (shíyóu). As long as 石油 has a Mandarin section listing shíyóu as the pinyin, this is valid. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)