User talk:8mike

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Albanian dialects and related languages

Hi, please use the name "Albanian" and the code sq only for words found in standard Albanian, or for words in dialects that don't have a code of their own. The Albanian dialects/languages that do have codes of their own are:

• aae for Arbëreshë Albanian
• aat for Arvanitika Albanian (which doesn't have any entries yet)
• aln for Gheg Albanian

If a word used in standard Albanian has a specific meaning found only in Gheg or only in Tosk, then you can put the label "Gheg" or "Tosk" before that sense, as follows:

# {{label|sq|Gheg}} [[Gheg-specific meaning]]
# {{label|sq|Tosk}} [[Tosk-specific meaning]]

These words will then be categorized into Category:Gheg Albanian and Category:Tosk Albanian. Rather confusingly, we have two separate categories for Gheg: Category:Gheg Albanian, which treats it as a dialect of Albanian, and Category:Gheg Albanian language, which treats it as a separate language. The {{label}} tag can also be used to mark things "rare" or "obsolete" or the like. If you have any questions, you can ask me on my talk page, or ask the community at large at the WT:Tea room (for questions concerning multiple entries) or the WT:Beer parlour (for questions concerning a single entry). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You could also use {{sq-noun}} for entries on Albanian nouns. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

lugat

Ghost inhabiting waters is just one of the meanings (a rather rare one) which have been recorded in northern Albanian..it's been added for etymological purposes as the term itself is a lengthening of lug (valley, hollow) which finds good semantic correspondences with përbindësh (water) monster (cf. Latin Fons Bandusiae), prossibly related to Alb. bend pool (cf. Sanskrit bindú - drop, Phrygian bedu-water etc). Again it's not its main meaning. If you have other informations, please feel free to bring them up.Etimo (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Etymologies

Are you using some source or are you just musing aloud? See gjok. --Vahag (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately a lot of the words I am adding have never been studied before, so I write Unknown and, in case the etymology seems clear I add an hypothesis (8mike (talk) 08:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC))

While original research is not strictly prohibited on Wiktionary, most of your etymologies are fanciful and wrong, e.g. gjok, kërriç. I have to ask you to stop doing original research until you are experienced enough. --Vahag (talk) 09:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, I am trying to apply what I learned from both Demiraj and Orel. Some of these words I have been personally collecting them and, in the case of e.g. shtamë I can assure you that it is also used to refer to a small 3 legged stool in north albania, I was not referring to the other word shtamë or shtomë, more commonly known as katruve which is a jar or pot (8mike (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC))

We prohibit including in Wiktionary words that are not attested or recorded anywhere. See WT:CFI and WT:LDL. You will have get your field work published somewhere else first, e.g. a peer-reviewed journal, then we can include it. This is nothing personal. While I have no doubt that you indeed recorded that word, others may lie and we have no way of verifying. --Vahag (talk) 14:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

ok, are articles and comments done by regular people on the internet regarded as 'attestation'? Cause some words don't appear in the dictionary but are found used by people around, especially if they are dialectal words. By the way I understand your concern regarding the integrity of the website, I wanted to give my contribution in order to preserve these rare words and enrich wiktionary.(8mike (talk) 14:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC))

for example, I wanted to add the etymology to fole which is clearly from φωλεά. Do I still need a source even though it is clear both phonetically and semantically that that's the case? — This unsigned comment was added by 8mike (talk • contribs).

Articles on the Internet are not acceptable, because we require "use in permanently recorded media".

fole is indeed from Greek. See Gustav Meyer, Etymologisches wörterbuch der albanesischen sprache, 1891, page 110. You can add such obvious etymologies, but please be careful not to slip into baseless speculations again. --Vahag (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

ok, thanks for the info. One last thing, some words can be found in Arbereshe dictionaries, I asked several old Tosk and Cam speakers and I found out that they also use such words, even though I can't find them recorded, do they qualify as Albanian or just Arberesh?(8mike (talk) 15:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC))

As Angr wrote above, we treat Arbëreshë Albanian as a different language, under code aae. Attestation in that language does not count towards attestation in Albanian, code sq. --Vahag (talk) 16:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Illyrian

Please do not create any more of these Illyrian entries; they are not attested directly and are only reconstructed, and thus cannot be accepted. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Mike, entries like λαϝαγταει (lawagtaei) are for now above your pay grade. I urge you to read up a lot and come back in a couple of years. You need more experience. --Vahag (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

All right, but that was close though. next time should I just send you a suggestion? (8mike (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC))

You can start a discussion at WT:ES. You can say "I have stumbled upon the interesting Phrygian word lawagt-. I wonder how is it attested and what's the origin. In my opinion/according to this source it is..." --Vahag (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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