User talk:BandiniRaffaele2

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Benwing2 (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Things to watch out for

Hi. Thank you for your contributions. You've made some mistakes that I'm in the process of fixing. Some pointers:

1. On page roteggio: {{der}} is normally for derivations from other languages, not from the same language. If you write {{der|it|it|roteggiare}}, it means the Italian term was derived from another language, which is in turn derived from an Italian term (typically several hundred years before). This is called a "twice-borrowed term", and it automatically categorizes the page into Category:Italian twice-borrowed terms, which isn't correct. When deriving from another term in the same language, use either {{affix}} if the derivation is by adding an affix, or {{back-form}} if the derivation is through back-formation. In this case, either derivation could be argued; I chose to write it as roteggiare + -o, on the assumption that the ending of roteggiare is chopped off before the suffix -o.
2. On page roteggio: If you create an "Etymology 2" header (not "Etymology2" as you wrote it), there should also be an "Etymology 1" before it, and all headers that are logically under those headers should be given one more set of = signs.
3. On various pages, the "References" header needs to be at level 3 (three equal signs before and after), not level 2; level 2 is reserved for languages.
4. On various pages, {{it-IPA}} and {{la-IPA}} should have * (asterisk + space) before it.
5. No need to capitalize the definition of foreign-language terms.
6. It's best to explicitly indicate the stress and vowel quality in {{it-IPA}}, using one of é, è, ó, ò, à, ì or ù; soon this will become mandatory.
7. On page Abissinus, {{syn}} goes directly below the definition, preceded by #: .
8. Note the way I fixed up the etymology in Abissinus. I also made the -īnus long; I suspect this is correct, and will lead to the correct Ecclesiastical pronunciation.
9. On votiger, you forgot to include the vowel length everywhere. You need to include vowel length in Latin entries.
10. On the Etruscan pages, the head template should look like e.g. {{head|ett|noun}} and not e.g. {{head|ett|𐌗𐌀𐌓𐌖𐌍|m}}. The latter wrongly categorizes the term as Category:Etruscan 𐌗𐌀𐌓𐌖𐌍s, and Etruscan has no grammatical gender, so none should be given.
11. On 𐌑𐌄𐌙, you wrote {{head|ett|𐌑𐌄𐌙|f|g=p|𐌑𐌄𐌙𐌀𐌓}}. This should instead read {{head|ett|noun|plural|𐌑𐌄𐌙𐌀𐌓}}. By using |g=p, you are saying that this is a plurale tantum (plural-only) noun, which is not correct.
12. You gave the pronunciation of linci as [ˈlin.ci], which isn't right; [c] isn't a phoneme in Italian, it should be [t͡ʃ].
13. You gave the pronunciation of lingottiera with one [t], which certainly isn't right. You gave the e as [e] (as if from é rather than è); I don't know if that is correct.
14. You gave the pronunciation of lingio as [ˈlin.ɡi.o], which is certainly incorrect; it should be [ˈlin.d͡ʒo].
15. You gave the pronunciation of trapanise as [tra.paˈni.se] when it should be [tra.paˈni.ze].
16. You gave an incorrect vowel length to cūrsale (should be cursāle) in corsale.

In general, please be careful when editing to make sure and not introduce mistakes. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 05:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

emérs

By emérs, do you mean "emerged" in the English translation? What's the infinitive form the Romagnol verb for the English word "to emerge"? --Apisite (talk) 06:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I intended emerse but I didn't know that it was "emerged" in English and not "emerse". It is "emergêr" in Romagnol the infinitive of "emerge". --BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 07:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. There's also Category:Requests for translations into Romagnol to check out. --Apisite (talk) 08:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

As for emergêr, it has been added to the Latin entry emergo. --Apisite (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

emès

What's the infinitive form of the verb form emès? If you give the answer, then I may add it to the Latin entry emitto, or you could. --Apisite (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Template:rgn-adj

Assigning things to a parameter by number is generally a bad idea. You may notice that your template is in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. That means you're putting things in a given parameter, then replacing that same parameter somewhere else in your code with something completely different. {{head|rgn|adjective}} is the same as {{head|1=rgn|2=adjective}}, so |1= replaces the "rgn" and |2= replaces the "adjective"- which is why you have a module error. You should have your code for each parameter inside the slot for that parameter, and forget about using parameter numbers.

Really, though, you don't understand what you're doing at all, so you should ask for help at the Grease pit. Any time you have a module error, it shows up in Category:Pages with module errors. We try to keep that as clear as possible so people who are editing modules can see when something goes wrong. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Chuck Entz, this was the first time that I created a Template and I copied the template rgn-noun and changed it trying to. But I couldn't. If you want, can you fix my template? The result have to be {{rgn-adj|feminine|...|masculine plural|...|feminine plural|...}} where "rgn-adj" is the adjective. I also questioned this two months ago and no one answered.--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 08:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

How is the headword template coming along now? --Apisite (talk) 12:03, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

@Apisite: I'm not very expert about creating new templates but why does mine not work? The problem is that doesn't put a wikilink to all the declensions of the adjective for one. For example here. Are you able to fix it?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 12:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I or someone else will have to figure out the issues and resolve them. In the meantime, there's no shame in contributing to the Italian edition of Wiktionary in itself. --Apisite (talk) 12:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

For example: https://it.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=ornamentale&diff=prev&oldid=3801103 --Apisite (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

@Apisite: I would contribute much more to that if there was someone. Howewer, do you know Friulian?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 13:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

You can add red links to Romagnol words like I did with the Friulian word ornamentâl in the example I provided. As for Friulian, I used ARLEF's wordbook, and Janez Erat's Friulian-Slovenian wordbook could be consulted. --Apisite (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Romagnol in the Lombard Wiktionary

User Gat lombart (talk • contribs) has been working on the Lombard edition of Wiktionary. You can ask him (or her) if you would like to add Romagnol words to that edition. --Apisite (talk) 01:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Here's his talk page at the Incubator. --Apisite (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Now the Lombard edition of Wiktionary is here. --Apisite (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Module:rgn-IPA

To make the template {{rgn-IPA}} in good quality, a good module is required, Module:rgn-IPA in this case. One example is Module:ca-IPA. --Apisite (talk) 13:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

𐌀𐌋𐌉𐌂𐌄

Usage examples should have lines starting with #:. If this is not a usage example but an actual quote you should provide a source. Synonyms should have lines starting with #:. You need to provide the word that this is an inflection of. DTLHS (talk) 18:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@DTLHS: The word that is an inflection of is not attested and so I can't provide it. The source is the Pittau's Etruscan Dictionary (Dictionary Of The Etruscan Language).--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

The source goes in the entry, not on your talk page. DTLHS (talk) 19:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Lemmatising Etruscan

In addition to what has been said above, you should take time to create lemma forms for Etruscan. In fact, you should probably discuss the matter of how Etruscan lemmas be normalised at the Beer Parlour. @JohnC5, victar, Mahagaja ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo But if they're not attested?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

There are different ways of treating those words for different languages. If the language is for instance well-documented, the putative lemma form is usually created if it is entirely predictable. If the language is sparsely attested, sometimes an attested form is promoted to the lemma, but there may also be alternative practices. Which method should be used for Etruscan is to be decided by discussion. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

New Category

Category:Romagnol term requests has been made. Happy Holinights of Yule! --Apisite (talk) 00:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@Apisite: Good news! BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:t

In case no one has told you about this already: the "t" in {{t}} and {{t+}} is for "translation". They should only be used in Translation sections, with {{t+}} being used only when there's an entry for the translation in question in the Wiktionary for that language. The correct templates everywhere else are {{l}} (without italics) and {{m}} (with italics). We usually use {{m}} in etymology sections, but I don't know if it makes any difference with the Old Italic fonts that Etruscan uses. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much. BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 06:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

rgn-IPA

Hi, {{rgn-IPA}} doesn't work the way other languages' IPA templates work. You have to enter the IPA into the first positional parameter of the template; the pronunciation isn't generated automatically. —Mahāgaja · talk 20:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mahagaja: the reason it doesn't work that way is because the module they've been working on was giving nothing but module errors, so I reverted the template to the pre-module state. They may have been guilty of counting their chickens before they hatched in converting entries to use a module that wasn't working at all, but I'm sure they're already painfully aware of the current state of the template. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

A Suggestion

I just copied the {{rgn-IPA}} to User:BandiniRaffaele2/rgn-IPA. You can do tests using {{User:BandiniRaffaele2/rgn-IPA|féud}} () and the like without trashing 200+ entries and CAT:E (user pages and user talk pages aren't covered by CAT:E)). You can even do the tests in preview without saving to try multiple things multiple times.

As for the errors you're getting: you can't use rsub() unless there is a function called "rsub" declared as local in the module, either through having the code for it in the module or using a "local" statement to link the name to a function in some other module. This is obvious to anyone who knows programming, and if you don't pay attention to such concepts you should not be editing modules that are transcluded in mainspace. I have some programming background, and I know better than to experiment like this with a template that's already in hundreds of entries. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I've tried to add a function called "rsub" but it doesn't work yet. BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciations, again

Please stop adding pronunciations to entries while the template is broken. You can fix it first and add it to pages later. Ultimateria (talk) 21:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

What are you referring to? BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I clicked on some pages you recently created and saw that the pronunciation was identical for 7 different dialects (e.g. abreviê). Maybe I'm being hasty since I don't speak the language, but I assumed the module wasn't working properly. Sorry if I've gotten it wrong. Ultimateria (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I used this paper written by Daniele Vitali as source for the Romagnol pronunciation and, since he uses there somewhere ^CanIPA symbols, I couldn't unfortunately convert them to standard IPA. However, thank you for watching out for my lemmas! BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

brokenness in CAT:E

Once again you have no idea what you are doing. I reverted your latest change to Module:rgn:Dialects, which caused a bunch of errors. Benwing2 (talk) 02:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Why did it cause an error? Is it because of the Wikipedia link? BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks to be this line:

aliases("Rural Lugo", {"RL"})

In general you need to check for errors in CAT:E when you make module changes. They may not appear immediately so you have to use the "Preview page" functionality to preview a page that uses the module, and/or check back later. Benwing2 (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I've realized where I've mistaken. BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 05:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Lemma selection

First, thank you for your extensive work on Romagnol.

I've noticed that we have many duplications in categories. For instance, both sgnôr and signôr appear in Romagnol terms inherited from Latin. To avoid this, it would be helpful to select one Romagnol form as the main lemma and have the others be alternative forms that link back to the main one (without having etymologies of their own). That, of course, requires choosing a particular dialect to use as 'standard'. What would you recommend? Nicodene (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nicodene: It's a hard choice. I think we shall opt for the most widespread variant in the available sheets, namely that used by the Istituto Schürr (also with regard to spelling), that is the Santo Stefano (Ville Unite) variant. BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 15:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

(Sorry, somehow the ping didn't work on me.)

Alright, that sounds good, thank you. I have used mäila as an initial test. Nicodene (talk) 18:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)