User talk:Kakaeater

You need to learn how to format things. I've cleaned up after you a few times and a bot has cleaned up a few more, but I don't know the language well enough to know if I'm missing something. Every part of speech section must have a headword template- even misspellings, phrases and forms. Please read the pages linked to below, especially our Entry layout page:

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Turkish IPA

Those symbols show how they are rounded.Most of the time we do not use them for simplicity.And Turkish dental sounds are actually denti-alveolar.We also do not show that for simplicity. Science boy 30 (talk) 01:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry to say that you are mistaken. I've witnessed you throwing around [ᵝ] and [ʷ] in front of every rounded vowel you see. You can't do that. [y] signifies it already is a rounded vowel. If it wasn't, it would be [i], those two sounds' only difference is that one is rounded and the other simply isn't. And it's false that we use them to show that vowels are rounded. No we don't. You can use [ʷ] with constonants if you like but not with vowels since vowels cannot be labialized, then they would simply be other vowels.

As to the /t, d, s, z, n, ɫ/ sounds, I'm sorry but you're simply false. /t, d, s, z, n, ɫ/ are not [t̟, d̟, s̟, z̟, n̟, ɫ̟] but [t̪, d̪, s̪, z̪, n̪, ɫ̪], and it is simply that. As a native speaker of the standard dialect, just like you I assume, we do not pronounce /t/ for example as [t̟] but as [t̪], the first transcription is just false.

Please check the Wikipedia page on Turkish phonology and please continue your edits after checking the page out since your edits on IPA are just complexifying the transcription. It is confusing for Turkish learners seeking the correct pronunciation and honestly to me as well as a native speaker. Kakaeater (talk) 02:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I am also a native speaker.And I am studying linguistics in Istanbul University.You should know that phonetics and phonology are different things.In phonology we do not try to use the correct transcription but the simplest one.So most of the time it is actually incorrect.If you wish we can discuss this on some other app like Whatsapp. Science boy 30 (talk) 12:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from, though in IPA transcription we are trying to transcribe the actual sounds, not the simplest sounds. Language does not work that way. There are multiple allophones of a single sounds depending on the environment and we do not just falsify the transcription for the sake of simplicity. I'm totally down to a discussion on another app although I still highly recommend you to check out the Wikipedia page where the Turkish IPA transcription is based on. Kakaeater (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)