User talk:Krf16742

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Edits at trialogue and trilogue

Hi. Please do not remove information from trialogue when it is in fact very easy to establish that the sense exists and would easily meet the criteria for inclusion.
That said, you may have a good case for making trilogue the main entry for the EU sense because it might be the more common spelling, but removing an attested meaning in another entry is not the right way to go about it. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, still new here, and this was my first try editing an entry. How would I go about requesting a verification of an entry then? Only "trilogue" is officially used by the EU administration for the legislative procedure. Also, there is no language called "European Union English" that I am aware of. Thanks! Krf16742 (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

If you really want to verify it, you can do so at Requests for verification - Non-English, but really it is very easy to attest so I doubt it is worth your time. [1] [2] [3] If you want to switch main entry and alternative form, you could raise the subject in the :Tea room or maybe you could just go ahead and swap them, but I'm not 100% sure about the procedure to follow in this case because I'm not sure which really is the most common form and pushing ahead even with that could be controversial. @Metaknowledge

I don't think that whoever wrote "European Union English" really meant to imply it was a separate language; it just stands for jargon particular to the European Union. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for the comment. Just made a minor change in the entry for "trialogue". The problem with "trilogue" procedure was that until recently this was a very informal procedure that was only referred to orally and not written down anywhere (the "Lisbon Treaty" makes reference for the first time to an informal concertation but does not mention the word 'trilogue'). Additionally, up to 2004 the EU mainly used French as an administrative language. Under this influence (I presume) the English word "trilogue" was coined from the French word with the same spelling (presumably also because the numeral prefix -tri was seen as being more correct than the irregular -tria of the attested form). First mention in an official document that I know of is the "Interinstitutional Agreement on Better Law-Making" (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-union-of-democratic-change/file-interinstitutional-agreement-on-better-law-making). Since, official EU documents have stuck to the spelling "trilogue" whereas other publication have either used the EU spelling or picked up on the spelling "trialogue (which is found in dictionaries such as Webster's). Do you think it is worthwhile raising this in one of the "tearooms"? Krf16742 (talk) 07:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure, a bare Google Books search for '"trialogue" European Union' against '"trilogue" European Union' suggests the former is about twice as common, but Ngrams does suggest a massive spike for 'trilogue' in the mid 1990s that could indicate it being the most common spelling for this sense. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)