User talk:Leonid Marinin

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Mr Leonid! Κύριε Λεωνίδα! Thank your for contributions for Modern Greek. Very impressive edits! A small note on the pronunciation section -although I am not a phonetician-: The specialised I.P.A. [e̞] and [o̞] -which is correct as a strict transcription, in some word-positions, for most but not all speakers- is not used in en.wiktionary (Appendix:Greek pronunciation) or at el.wiktionary. There is no consequence of different nuances of pronunciation to the meaning. I have not seen it even in books for greek phonetics, except perhaps when discussing the specific vowel. We use the little dots separating syllables (but it is not obligatory). Our administrator for Modern Greek is Saltmarsh. We are all at your disposal for any questions. Happy edits! ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 09:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

PS. The Template:etyl is deprecated. It still exists in hundreds, thousands of pages, and there is an ongoing effort to correct it. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 11:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Sarri! Thnx for letting me know all of this! I'll make sure I don't use [e̞] and [o̞] symbols anymore, for by and large it makes little if any difference at all. However, I've looked into this Greek pronunciation appendix page, and I wonder about a couple things. For one, the chart seems to suggest but phonemes, not phonetically accurate realisations, though every sound is square-bracketed; and while differentiating between, e.g., [o] and [o̞] is not really essential (and may even be arguable), I would still like to show the properties of some other sounds—some consonants—in more detail when giving both /phonemic/ and [phonetic] transcriptions, e.g. /s/ vs [s̠]. Otherwise, I can just confine my edits only to that former—the broad, phonemic one.

And sure I'll be in touch if I need smth, thnx! I'm yet to peruse all those templates out there and make them out. ;) Leonid Marinin (talk) 13:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Leonid! O! you know a lot about phonetics. -by the way, you need to {{ping}} someone, otherwise, we do not get an alert. You get automatic alerts when someone writes here, at your Talkpage--

I have no idea what this s̠ sounds like. I understand that you have a special interest for strict transcriptions. I presume they are necessary at a phonetic lab when transcribing the recording of a specific speaker, or recordings of dialectal pronunciations. I see very intricate transcriptions at wikipedia IPA.articles, but perhaps they are outside the scope of a dictionary? The Appendix just mentions some of them, but does not adopt them.

About the strict-square brackets at the examples of the Appendix. Your question seems very logical: why are they used in the Appendix, but never used in the lemmata? @Saltmarsh, perhaps a change with /.../ ? ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 16:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't say I know a lot a lot about phonetics, but I'm a phonetic fanatic anyway. A geek of a sort. ;)

On Wikipedia, they have very nice articles—very nice indeed—on the phonologies of different languages. That of modern Greek is also pretty detailed and accurate, as far as I can judge. This [s̠] seems to be the most common way how you guys in Greece pronounce the /s/ phoneme. (It's also one of the features that makes Greek sound—to an unsophisticated ear, from afar—quite like European Spanish, where, unlike in Mexico for example, they have exactly the same, kinda retracted, version of the alveolar /s/.

As for /.../ vs [...], the difference is really of essence. Somehow, I've hardly ever seen accurate phonetic transcriptions of Greek words on both en.- and el.wikitionary: only phonemic transcriptions are given, sometimes mistakenly in square brackets. On the other hand, for example with English words, one can find (not very often, though) both transcriptions, broad and narrow, and to see this difference may really come in handy. Thus, if you look up, say, the word "cat", you'll see that the difference between /kæt/ and [kʰæt, kʰæt̚] is at least tangible, nor is it dialectal or something: it's the norm, and it's crucial for every learner who wants to master the sound of a target language.

At any rate, my idea is that the [...] should be replaced by /.../ in the Appendix. And when editing or creating new entries myself, I can of course, as I said, be satidfied with only broader transcriptions. Though I'd love to indicate certain accuracies where and if possible. Like, for instance, /ˈanθɾopos/ vs [ˈan̪θɾopos̠]. There is no phonemic distinction between /n/ and /n̪/ in Greek, so we don't use the latter in phonemic transcription, but it can and should be shown in a narrower pronunciation picture, for this "n" here is surely not an alveolar [n] but a dentalised one, assimilated by the following dental [θ].

What do you think, @Sarri.greek? Leonid Marinin (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Leonid, you can make a personal Appendix like [User:Leonid Marinin/IPA] for your transcriptions. Audio files that may interest you are at Commons Category:Greek pronunciation. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 23:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Capitalization of Russian adjectives derived from names of mythical figures

Unlike English, Russian adjectives derived from names are not capitalized when used figuratively or when describing characteristics or mythical attributes: Адам > адамов (associated with the Biblical Adam, as in адамово яблоко, адамова голова) vs. Адамов (literally belonging to a man named Adam). For this reason, the English term Herculean corresponds to lower-case геркулесов, Oedipean corresponds to lower-case эдипов, etc. Tetromino (talk) 15:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tetromino, thnx, I was mistaken indeed. I know perfectly well the difference of using upper- vs lower-case letters in such adjectives in Russian (Полный академический справочник под ред. Лопатина, § 166; Розенталь, § 12), but somehow I messed up with their English counterparts. I'll check later a couple other entries I've made today and edit the translations. Thnx again for letting me know! Leonid Marinin (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Aidos

Hello. In case you haven't noticed, I added a translation request into Russian for the entry Aidos. --Apisite (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, there's the category Requests for translations into Russian. --Apisite (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

On Poetry

You said, or may have, that you have an interest in poetry.

You might like the Society of Classical Poets and its articles. Apisite (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I am indeed! Thnx for the invitation! I'll check it out later, I will. Leonid Marinin (talk) 11:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I have just found another website: PoetryTeatime.com! --Apisite (talk) 06:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for you continuing contributions to Greek words - this is just a request — most definitely NOT a complaint!
When creating a new entry and you don't know its inflection, please do create a Declension/Conjugation heading (as with απόγαιον)and follow it with the template {{rfinfl|el|verb/noun/adjective}}. This will place the word in a category like Category:Requests for inflections in Greek noun entries so that we don't lose track of these "To Do" jobs. Thanks again - please carry on with the good work. — Saltmarsh^🢃 06:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Saltmarsh, sure thing! Thnx for letting me know! I'll make sure I do it the right way next time. Leonid Marinin (talk) 13:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Translating Plethon into Russian

What do you think of translating at least the hymns by Plethon, as well has his prayer to the gods of learning, into Russian? Apisite (talk) 19:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey, @Apisite! What do I think of it? Why, I don't think of it at all. What with my work and ceaseless studies, the last thing I need right now is translating smth. Especially smth like that. Leonid Marinin (talk) 19:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)