Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2009-12/Addition of Examples header to ELE

Discussion

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Would "Example media" be better than "Examples"? I don't want to cause confusion with "example sentences". --Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Possibly "Illustrations" as Visviva suggests. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 08:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, either of those is better IMO.​—msh210℠ 17:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Illustrations sounds like images/pictures to me, so I dislike that idea. --EncycloPetey 17:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it would be especially weird for sounds. Maybe "Example media" then?...--Bequw → ¢ • τ 01:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Media is pretty general, but I think people who see it don't usually think of plain text, which we'd want to include (as for grammatical examples of words like split infinitive). So it may not be the best choice, actually.​—msh210℠ 20:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

What about "Samples" or "Representations"? --Bequw → ¢ • τ 19:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, DAVilla has supported conditioned on the header's being "Samples" ("or the like" as he puts it, but presumably not "Examples"). Ruakh and I have also mentioned in our votes that we're not happy with "Examples"; I explicitly also allowed for "Samples". Perhaps we should just switch it midvote to "Samples", inform all voters (except me and DAVilla) so they can confirm or change their votes, extend the time of the vote, and continue from there?​—msh210℠ 16:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

A clear consensus does seem to be emerging for "Samples" instead of "Examples" which I'm fine with. Should I just withdraw this one or modify and re-notify (some people don't like votes modified in the middle)? --Bequw → ¢ • τ 01:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

All the "support" voters except yourself have stated that they'd vote in support of "Samples" also, so I think it would just waste their time to start over. But that's just mho.​—msh210℠ 15:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll switch it to "Samples" and extend it. I'm leaving the vote page title the same just for ease. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 03:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Alternative option

Image galleries are the only "example"/"sample" media where we have enough right now to left-aligned a block of them. Since there was no consensus to add an additional header, I think the best place for the galleries is in =See also= sections (though if they look fine at the base of the PoS I won't move them). If we get a lot of other types of media, maybe we can revisit the issue. --Bequw → τ 05:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Come to think of it, I don't see why the "Citations subpage" (or whatever it's called) at each entry, which AFAICT is all but never used (and there being already per WT:ELE an optional L3 "Quotations" header), couldn't be renamed for "Examples" or "Samples" and used for media as well, but possibly that's just a rookie's notion. --Thrissel 00:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, the citations page is for samples of the term, whereas what's under discussion here is samples of the term's referent.​—msh210℠ 16:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not actually a bad idea. The problem is that people want the samples to illustrate the entry, wheras we extradite citations beacuse we assume most people are not going to find a million citations very interesting. Conrad.Irwin 16:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, yes, both make sense to me. Seemed to me nobody was finding it interesting filling the pages with citations either, but then that may change (before coming here I'd never have believed how many people were interested in etymologies). And upon consideration I can't think of an elegant way of telling a casual reader there are pictures, so to say, on the wayside. --Thrissel 18:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)