Reconstruction talk:Proto-Turkic/tāt

On the subject of both etymologies

I think the first etymology should be moved to *tātïg since it is historically in such a form and the modern forms seem to be secondary forms that emerged from that.

The second etymology should be moved to *tat with a short vowel, while the Hungarian borrowing seems to prove it, per Tekin Hungarian ó isn't from *ā plus Rona-Tas, which is referenced, literally points this out; "The H word is originated fr T while the length of the vowel represents a secondary H development" (WOT vol2 p928).

I propose that these etymologies be moved accodingly and that we instead use this page for *tāt ("rust"). Sorry for tagging but what are your opinions @BurakD53 and @Ardahan Karabağ? Yorınçga573 (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

If the earliest forms show *tātïg then it is understandable for Turkish and other descendants so it is ok to move to me. And, I do not have an idea about Etymology 2. I think Burak may has some ideas about it. Last, if this word *tāt ("rust") exists, then we can use this page for it. Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

OK. If you think *tātïg is the most archaic, move it. Idk if it is from something like *tāt-ï-g. You know better. I don't know about the second etymology either. BurakD53 (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually apperantly the word for rust has a short vowel too, I'll add it into the same page as "foreigner". Yorınçga573 (talk) 12:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

And apperantly Khalaj has a long vowel for "foreigner" so I suppose it does belong here. Yorınçga573 (talk) 13:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)