Talk:मरना

Errors/Missing things in Hindi wiktionary

Future Imperatives in Hindi

There are some conjugations given in the conjugation table which I have issues with, which are,

1. there are two tenses of imperatives in Hindi, present, and future. People often skip or do not realise that there are two tenses in imperatives because most languages don't. It's a rare feature in languages, especially in Indo-European (modern-day). And this conjugation pattern (shown below in the table) is valid for all Hindi verbs, so it should and must be mentioned in the conjugation table. Also, there is Jussive mood in Hindi which means indirect orders are possible to give in Hindi, which means 3rd person imperatives are possible.

Imperative forms of करना

	तू	तुम	आप	यह/ये	वह/वो	ये	वो/वे
Present	कर (kar)	करो (karo)	करिये (kariye)	करे (kare)	करे (kare)	करें (kareñ)	करें (kareñ)
Future	करियो (kariyo)	करना (karna)	करियेगा (kariyega)	करे (kare)	करे (kare)	करें (kareñ)	करें (kareñ)

I'll give examples to make this clear, context being someone giving directions to someone:

• तुम 2 कीलोमीटर आगे जाना और फिर वहाँ से दाएँ मुड़ जाना।
  
• तुम 2 कीलोमीटर आगे जाओ और फिर वहाँ से दाएँ मुड़ जाना।
  
• तुम 2 कीलोमीटर आगे जाओ और फिर वहाँ से दाएँ मुड़ जाओ। (ungrammatical sentence!)
  

You can change the future imperative to the present imperative in the first sentence to make the first sentence, however, if you do the same with the future imperative मुड़ जाना at the end, the sentence becomes ungrammatical. So, it is a fundamental conjugation of Hindi which cannot be ignored in the conjugation table.

Agentive Feminine Plural Wrong

The agentive impersonal shows feminine plural as मरनेवाली but it should be मरनेवालीं. When you use it as the future participle then the nasalisation can be optionally be removed there but it cannot be removed when it is not used as a participle.

Progressive Participle Missing

The progressive participle (an impersonal form) is missing in the table of Hindi impersonal forms. करते-करते, मरते-मरते etc are very fundamental to Hindi too. And, I think it is the only impersonal form missing in the conjugation table.

Sources

1. https://open.lib.umn.edu/hindiurdu/chapter/grammar-1-1-notes-imperative/

2. https://taj.oasis.unc.edu/Hindi.Less.11/grammar04.html

3. https://hindilanguage.info/hindi-grammar/verbs/mood/imperative-mood/

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_mood#Hindi

Interesting point about the imperatives. Coincidentally, I was just today thinking of how रहियो (rahiyo) was also an imperative of रहना (rahnā), just like रह (rah) is. Unbelievable. I think it should be added to the template. -- Bhagadatta (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Itsmeyash31, Bhagadatta: Added the future imperatives as well as fixed the agentive feminine plural. I think the progressive participle can get a note. I'd like to migrate all these templates to an automatic module at some point also. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 16:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Nice work on the template! -- Bhagadatta (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@AryamanA: I sent you a google sheets link where what I feel should be corrected in the wiktionary table is listed. I am linking the google sheet here too. I actually redesigned the table a bit so that all the aspects, moods and the tenses of Hindi be clearly visible at a glance. If you could modify the conjugation table on wiktionary like that, that'd be great. I have listed some of the corrections on your user page. Itsmeyash31 (talk) 20:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)