Talk:bird

Misc

In the "See also" section, all of the different types of birds should not be in this article. They are not dictionary entries but encyclopedia or thesaurus entries. As such they should be covered by a link to Wikipedia which could then have such a list.

I am completely in favour of a "Wikithaurus" or even some kind of thesaurus namespace in Wiktionary, and for the dictionary articles to cross-link to the thesaurus entries. But I am totally against bloating the dictionary entries with this stuff. Hippietrail 11:46, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I just came here to make a similar comment (5 months later!). It would be sufficient to put Category:Birds on the page for each of these types, and link through the category that way. Eclecticology 19:50, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I have categorised many of them, and will continue to do so. I will remove the "see also". Jonathan Webley 13:12, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

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Somebody has just replaced the German "Schnepfe" with "Frau" in the section meaning "chick" (woman). I do not know what "Schnepfe" means but "Frau" is just the normal word for woman so would only be considered a translation if there is no other word with any of the connotations carried by "bird". — Hippietrail 12:08, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

One (possibly obsolete, certainly obsolecent) slang defintion of 'bird' is woman, from the '20s(-ish). Perhaps they both belong? - TheDaveRoss 19:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Filipino slang for penis

Um really? Might be a hoax, especially as I don't think "petit oiseau" means penis in French, would like to think I've had enough contact with native French speakers to have heard that one before if it does. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The nerve of putting that bloody thing as Etymology 2.

I moved it to position 4, but someone else should just nuke it.

Varlaam 17:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I have a vague notion that "petit oiseau" is correct. Varlaam (Canada)

The correct forum would be WT:Requests for verification rather than outright deletion. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Aviary

Is there a way to notate words which are related but derive from the Latin equivalent?
As we have aquiline as an adjective from eagle.
Varlaam 17:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

If it is a derivation of the head word, such as, in this case, birdhouse, it goes under ====Derived terms====. If it is a genetically related word, such as birding, then under ====Related terms====. In the case of aquiline, which is not genetically related but has a related meaning, then under ====See also====. —Stephen ^(Talk) 05:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Etymology of the word "bird"

"Etymology 1: From Middle English, from Old English bird, brid, bridd (“young bird, chick”), of uncertain origin and relation."

I think it comes from the German word "Brut" / "brüten".--Dr. Markus Vogel 20:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

How can it? Old English disappeared before Modern German existed. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I mean from the Old Germanic roots of the Modern German word "Brut" / "brüten".--Dr. Markus Vogel 02:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You mean *brōduz? Unfortunately, that's not possible formally (phonetically and morphologically). Old English bridd rather suggests a Proto-Germanic *bridjaz or *bredjaz. There's no way to reconcile the two. The only conceivable (but formally problematic) way is a root etymology along the lines of Proto-Indo-European *bʰrh₁-e-dʰ/tyo-. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 09:53, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Is the noun "brid" onomatopoeic, like e.g. "crow", "drone", "corvus" (and Norwegian "korp" = raven), and "bumblebee"? Small birds like sparrows may say "brid, brid". – Pål Jensen (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

The only so very problematic root that I have found is in https://www.academia.edu/30877185/SUBSTRATES_IN_GERMANIC?email_work_card=view-paper; but the intermediate forms would have to be found before pasting the Proto-Altaic root in the main entry page. If there are no intermediate links, it would have to be regarded as a coincidence - since substrate words dating back that far would be extremely difficult to prove without recorded intermediates. Andrew H. Gray 17:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC) Andrew

Drug slang?

Apparently also drug dealers' slang for 36 ounces of cannabis. Equinox ◑ 22:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Middle finger

"Showing someone the bird" is a phrase that may be worth mentioning, see e.g. here. 138.232.105.77 08:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

That should be covered by Etymology 3. Chuck Entz (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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bird

(Asian slang) The penis. (Etymology 4) Claimed to be a calque from various Asian languages that use "bird" as a slang term for "penis", including Malay burung, Chinese 鳥, and Tagalog ibon. ... I have never come across this term despite many years in Asia, so it would be nice to see some cites. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 05:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)