Talk:dog shit

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dog shit

I know someone is going to say how this means something other than dog + shit, or other languages translate this special or some other nonsense, but I couldn't live with myself if I didn't try and get this nonsense deleted. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect. This is a bit of a toughie, because we have to include (deprecated template usage) dogshit, and since (deprecated template usage) dog shit is a bit more common, it seems odd to redirect from dog shit to dogshit. But, I don't see a better way. *shrug* —Ruakh_TALK 02:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Do we really? And equally the s*** of every imaginable animal? Why not mention under the entry "shit" that it can be combined with names of animals to produce a term meaning their particular produce? I have used this approach with some Finnish nouns. Hekaheka 11:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

We need entries for horseshit and bullshit anyway. There really aren't that many that form a single word (rat, worm, whale, bird come to mind). They are used in different contexts and sometimes have special nuances or usage. Otherwise we are just talking about the usual attirbutive use of the animal name with "shit". Many have special non-vulgar names like "pellets", etc. It would be amusing to get those in one list some day. DCDuring TALK 15:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect per above. Seems like an excellent solution to the whole set of these. DCDuring TALK 15:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, but what about doggy doo/doggie do/doggy do/doggie doo? AFAIK, the dog is the only animals whose faeces is referred to as "doo". Or does do/doo cover it?--Keene 15:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think a redirect here would be harmful and misleading. While "dogshit" is almost always an adjective, "dog shit" is usually a noun. A the very worst, it could be reduced to a soft redirect, but that would just be forcing readers to to click-through (which usually results in people leaving, to try a different reference instead...i.e. not helpful.) --Connel MacKenzie 19:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Keep as it is an idiomatic set phrase. --Connel MacKenzie 19:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

There are about 9 of these in English that I've identified: bat, bird, bull, chicken, dog, horse, rat, whale, worm. Not all form a single word with shit. Most can be found with and without hyphens, the usually but not always for some kind of adjectival use. We will not be buried in the subject matter. DCDuring TALK 21:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

You forgot apeshit. ;-) Dmcdevit·t 00:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe we need an entry for pigshit as well. bd2412 T 08:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep, I pronounce this as one entity, with stress on "dog" and none on "shit", whereas if I said "cat shit" I would stress both words. Kappa 00:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Can someone at least tell me what it means, idiomatically? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I would guess it's similar to bullshit or horseshit, but the problem is that there is no idiomatic sense defined at the actual article yet, despite the arguments here that one exists. I don't think people should say to keep something because a more valid meaning exists without even adding that meaning; then we end up with the less valid article kept in the end, and the problem isn't fixed. Dmcdevit·t 00:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I took a crack at an entry for dogshit. We could probably keep attesting entries (which are readily available, of course) off the page. I don't think we need too many usage examples, either. If we just get serious about this group of words for a bit, we can probably handle it once and for all. Compared to the others dogshit seems to be just "common", but "worse" than human. rat-; horse-, bull-; whale-, worm-; chicken-; and bat- and, yes, ape- all have different meanings, divided into groups of related meanings by semi-colons on the list. I'm not sure about bird and snake, though snake might be like worm and whale. DCDuring TALK 02:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep as an alternative spelling of dogshit. Both may be idiomatic under the "in between" test and the latter per community support of (deprecated template usage) Dutchman. DAVilla 10:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept, striking as such. bd2412 T 11:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Kept. See archived discussion of November 2008. 07:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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dog shit

Unlike the other animal shit entries which have been defended as interjections, this is just a sum of parts noun. Ultimateria 21:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep per WT:COALMINE, google books:"dogshit". (I still don't really agree with COALMINE, but it passed a vote, and hasn't been overturned, so . . .) —Ruakh_TALK 23:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes annoying isn't it? Keep, FWIW dogshit is quite common (as a word) so I think it's quite a clear keeper, unlike some that barely scrape three Google Book hits and get kept. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand this COALMINE-logic. Do you guys mean that the only reason we don't have cat shit, catshit, cow dung, cowdung etc. is that it has so far not occurred to anyone to write them? --Hekaheka 21:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd say the solution is to also delete dogshit as sum of parts, but the community won't go for that. See talk:Zirkusschule among some others. --Mglovesfun (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 04:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)