Talk:mock-up
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Kiwima in topic RFV discussion: October–November 2021
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Rfv-sense: "A prototype, usually low-fidelity, such as paper illustrations, screenshots, or simple configurations of screens with limited interaction." --Other dictionaries and Wikipedia appear to be of the opinion that a mock-up is something more than a draft on a piece of paper.--Hekaheka (talk) 19:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a separate sense; this is subsumed by the rather broad sense 1. It is perhaps too broad; it does not make clear that a mock-up misses essential functionality of the entity it is a model of. A mock-up of a car has no engine, and a mock-up of a computer has no CPU. --Lambiam 13:17, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- In use by normal people, a "model" is something in three dimensions that represents something in three (or four) dimensions. I think that trying to reword def. 1 to include both two- and three-dimension representations or both two- and three-dimensional objects is likely to lead to a hard-to-understand definition and to failure to usefully convey the meanings of the word. DCDuring (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- My point was that I believe the second definition sounds like a definition of sketch. SemperBlotto created this with the definition "full-scale working model of something, used for demonstration and testing" which is in accordance with the definitions I read in other dictionaries. The user Conversion script who only has made a handful of edits in 2005 converted it to its current form which has survived until this day. --Hekaheka (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Cambridge and MW both have such a definition. DCDuring (talk) 19:04, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- I obviously missed those. Not every dictionary has the second definition. I also thought the second definition seemed like it could refer to usage in graphic design. Seems to be good then, possibly with some rewording along the lines of Cambridge and MW. --Hekaheka (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- It is true that we should have citations that unambiguously support the definition and that the definition should reflect such usage. I would not have expected "mock-up" to be used of 2D representations, though upon reflection it's a likely extension, especially given the importance of software oriented to the mass market. DCDuring (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- I've added cites that seem to me to clearly show the 2D representation, but allow for media other than paper. DCDuring (talk) 21:37, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- It is true that we should have citations that unambiguously support the definition and that the definition should reflect such usage. I would not have expected "mock-up" to be used of 2D representations, though upon reflection it's a likely extension, especially given the importance of software oriented to the mass market. DCDuring (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- I obviously missed those. Not every dictionary has the second definition. I also thought the second definition seemed like it could refer to usage in graphic design. Seems to be good then, possibly with some rewording along the lines of Cambridge and MW. --Hekaheka (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Cambridge and MW both have such a definition. DCDuring (talk) 19:04, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- My point was that I believe the second definition sounds like a definition of sketch. SemperBlotto created this with the definition "full-scale working model of something, used for demonstration and testing" which is in accordance with the definitions I read in other dictionaries. The user Conversion script who only has made a handful of edits in 2005 converted it to its current form which has survived until this day. --Hekaheka (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- In use by normal people, a "model" is something in three dimensions that represents something in three (or four) dimensions. I think that trying to reword def. 1 to include both two- and three-dimension representations or both two- and three-dimensional objects is likely to lead to a hard-to-understand definition and to failure to usefully convey the meanings of the word. DCDuring (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- I suspect this may be referring to paper prototyping, where you might actually interact with the pieces of paper (e.g. I switch them around to show you what happens as you click a button or drop down a menu) — something more than just a plain diagram or document. Equinox ◑ 21:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)